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		<title>Comment on Seven Reasons Why Lutherans Should Not Jump on the &#8220;Contemporary Worship&#8221; Bandwagon by Contemporary Worship&#8217;s Problem &#124; Try 2 Focus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contemporary Worship&#8217;s Problem &#124; Try 2 Focus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seven Reasons Why Lutherans Should Not Jump on the &#8220;Contemporary Worship&#8221; Bandwagon (realrealityzone.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Seven Reasons Why Lutherans Should Not Jump on the &#8220;Contemporary Worship&#8221; Bandwagon by Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.realrealityzone.com/2009/10/seven-reasons-why-lutherans-should-not-jump-on-the-contemporary-worship-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-3840</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 02:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops.  I don&#039;t belong here.  I&#039;m an Orthodox Presbyterian minister and completely agree with Dawn&#039;s 7 arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.  I don&#8217;t belong here.  I&#8217;m an Orthodox Presbyterian minister and completely agree with Dawn&#8217;s 7 arguments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Lutheran Use of the Word &#8220;Reformed&#8221; by T. R. Halvorson</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. R. Halvorson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 00:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding post. The misuse of the term creates overbroad dissension, and fails to adequately focus on the true areas of difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding post. The misuse of the term creates overbroad dissension, and fails to adequately focus on the true areas of difference.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is the Gospel Mere Historical Information? by Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 03:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this.  The Gospel itself is power to those who believe.  You can never marinate too long in the truth of the Gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this.  The Gospel itself is power to those who believe.  You can never marinate too long in the truth of the Gospel.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seven Reasons Why Lutherans Should Not Jump on the &#8220;Contemporary Worship&#8221; Bandwagon by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 19:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that the objections to Dawn&#039;s seven-reasons come from non-Lutherans (and I am including David Housholder--Robinwood Church, because his education is from an ELCA school and he now serves Community churches and Bible churches). Yes, I do consider ELCA non-Lutheran for many reasons, but that discussion is for another day. Those who object to the Liturgy object to the fundamental teachings of Luther and focus primarily on freedom, often in opposition to what God says in his Word. I suggest that if you are not Lutheran, start your own discussions about anything you choose, but this site is for Lutherans!

Now, let&#039;s get back to the question of Lutheran worship, can we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that the objections to Dawn&#8217;s seven-reasons come from non-Lutherans (and I am including David Housholder&#8211;Robinwood Church, because his education is from an ELCA school and he now serves Community churches and Bible churches). Yes, I do consider ELCA non-Lutheran for many reasons, but that discussion is for another day. Those who object to the Liturgy object to the fundamental teachings of Luther and focus primarily on freedom, often in opposition to what God says in his Word. I suggest that if you are not Lutheran, start your own discussions about anything you choose, but this site is for Lutherans!</p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s get back to the question of Lutheran worship, can we?</p>
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		<title>Comment on God&#8217;s Own Child, I Gladly Say It by Bryce Hedstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.realrealityzone.com/2010/09/gods-own-child-i-gladly-say-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3222</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce Hedstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could listen to this hymn daily and weep every time I heard it.  I was raised a liberal Lutheran and wandered into Word of Faith charismatic in my 20&#039;s before finally finding the LCMS where I have raised my children, whose baptismal services included this hymn.  Thank God for his indescribable gift of new life in Christ!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could listen to this hymn daily and weep every time I heard it.  I was raised a liberal Lutheran and wandered into Word of Faith charismatic in my 20&#8242;s before finally finding the LCMS where I have raised my children, whose baptismal services included this hymn.  Thank God for his indescribable gift of new life in Christ!</p>
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		<title>Comment on God&#8217;s Own Child, I Gladly Say It by Hank Rogish</title>
		<link>http://www.realrealityzone.com/2010/09/gods-own-child-i-gladly-say-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3221</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Rogish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely a wonderful hymn!  I&#039;m convinced that Dr. Luther himself would be very fond of it.  Thanks so much for posting it. - From a Wisconsin Synod Lutheran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely a wonderful hymn!  I&#8217;m convinced that Dr. Luther himself would be very fond of it.  Thanks so much for posting it. &#8211; From a Wisconsin Synod Lutheran</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Thirst for God-Centered Worship by Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  I am constantly looking for God-centered songs and find only a few.  Music from Sovereign Grace is one.  Please let me know if you have any recommendations.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I am constantly looking for God-centered songs and find only a few.  Music from Sovereign Grace is one.  Please let me know if you have any recommendations.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on God&#8217;s Own Child, I Gladly Say It by Rev. David Kihn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. David Kihn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wonderful, powerful hymn of comfort expressing clearly God&#039;s Word
An excellent discussion/hermeneutical process on this treasure is on &quot;Issues ETC&quot; a Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod dept program
Sola Deo Gloria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful, powerful hymn of comfort expressing clearly God&#8217;s Word<br />
An excellent discussion/hermeneutical process on this treasure is on &#8220;Issues ETC&#8221; a Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod dept program<br />
Sola Deo Gloria</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is the Real Presence of Christ in the Lord&#8217;s Supper so Important? by Dawn K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Timothy, 

I apologize for the delay in my response.  I have been dealing with some things offline over the past few months that have prevented me from keeping up with the blog.

By &quot;spiritual manducation&quot; Calvinists mean that in the Sacrament Christians ascend to heaven spiritually to partake of Christ&#039;s body and blood by faith, and that what you are receiving in your mouth is not anything more than bread and wine.  So if you partake without faith, you only receive bread and wine and not the body and blood of Christ.  Lutherans, on the other hand, teach that in the Sacrament you are receiving the true body and blood of Christ regardless of whether or not you have faith (thus St. Paul&#039;s warnings in 1 Corinthians 11 about eating and drinking judgment on oneself). 

There is a sense in which we participate in the death of Christ by faith.  However, Sasse&#039;s point is that Calvinists/Reformed do not go beyond this.  One can spiritually partake of Christ&#039;s body and blood easily enough without the Sacrament at all.  And yet Christ tells us &quot;this is My body&quot; and &quot;this is My blood&quot;, and commands us to partake of it, and St. Paul tells us that the participation in Christ&#039;s body and blood that we have in the Sacrament goes beyond mere spiritual eating and drinking.

Hope this helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Timothy, </p>
<p>I apologize for the delay in my response.  I have been dealing with some things offline over the past few months that have prevented me from keeping up with the blog.</p>
<p>By &#8220;spiritual manducation&#8221; Calvinists mean that in the Sacrament Christians ascend to heaven spiritually to partake of Christ&#8217;s body and blood by faith, and that what you are receiving in your mouth is not anything more than bread and wine.  So if you partake without faith, you only receive bread and wine and not the body and blood of Christ.  Lutherans, on the other hand, teach that in the Sacrament you are receiving the true body and blood of Christ regardless of whether or not you have faith (thus St. Paul&#8217;s warnings in 1 Corinthians 11 about eating and drinking judgment on oneself). </p>
<p>There is a sense in which we participate in the death of Christ by faith.  However, Sasse&#8217;s point is that Calvinists/Reformed do not go beyond this.  One can spiritually partake of Christ&#8217;s body and blood easily enough without the Sacrament at all.  And yet Christ tells us &#8220;this is My body&#8221; and &#8220;this is My blood&#8221;, and commands us to partake of it, and St. Paul tells us that the participation in Christ&#8217;s body and blood that we have in the Sacrament goes beyond mere spiritual eating and drinking.</p>
<p>Hope this helps!</p>
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